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		<title>By: steroizi</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-238560</link>
		<dc:creator>steroizi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes albert is much better in wp 2.7 :D try it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes albert is much better in wp 2.7 <img src='http://justintadlock.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  try it</p>
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		<title>By: mauro</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-160569</link>
		<dc:creator>mauro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may be sidebars for specific categories?, sidebar_cat1, sidebar_cat2. I&#039;m actually using that configuration in many sites!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may be sidebars for specific categories?, sidebar_cat1, sidebar_cat2. I&#8217;m actually using that configuration in many sites!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-139583</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can get this drag &amp; drop feature working also using WP 2.8.1 Beta 1 or 2 and the latest development version of WP Ecommerce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can get this drag &amp; drop feature working also using WP 2.8.1 Beta 1 or 2 and the latest development version of WP Ecommerce.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert K.</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-138872</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s much better in wp 2.7, isnt it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s much better in wp 2.7, isnt it?</p>
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		<title>By: WordCast 11: Bodily function control &#124; WordCast</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-48593</link>
		<dc:creator>WordCast 11: Bodily function control &#124; WordCast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Justin Tadlock writes about the pros of the new widget menu. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Justin Tadlock writes about the pros of the new widget menu. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nullrend</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-21766</link>
		<dc:creator>nullrend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of those who &lt;strong&gt;intensely&lt;/strong&gt; dislike the new widget administration page. Reading through the comments here it seems the main complaints are:

*Lack of drag&amp;drop: Yes, if you had lots of sidebars (the name will stick, get over it) it got a bit hard to get widgets in the right places. But for 90% of people it was a lifesaver. Easy and fast widget management.

*Text and RSS widgets cannot be moved across sidebars without copying them out of the browser and then pasting them back in. Check &lt;a href=&quot;http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-6355&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Huug&#039;s comment&lt;/a&gt; and the link he put up.


All in all this &#039;new&#039; interface is not a step back, but rather a &lt;em&gt;jump&lt;/em&gt; back. Even now, with WP2.6 out and WP2.7 development geared up this stands as an unresolved usability issue. While asking &#039;how many times do you move widgets around&#039; is a valid question, keep in mind when developing a theme you move stuff around a lot, &lt;em&gt;specially&lt;/em&gt; widgets. You will run into issues when switching back and forth between a 1-sidebar theme and a 2-or-more sidebars theme.

Now for solutions... myself I think the best way to solve this would be to heavily AJAXify the whole damn thing, enabling fast and easy drag&amp;drop. Perhaps instead of having to use a drop down selector on the right side of the page to switch between sidebars they can just be displayed at the same time in their current form.

This is the kind of things that make people switch to other platforms, be another blogging platform like Movable Type of a full-fledge CMS like Drupal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of those who <strong>intensely</strong> dislike the new widget administration page. Reading through the comments here it seems the main complaints are:</p>
<p>*Lack of drag&amp;drop: Yes, if you had lots of sidebars (the name will stick, get over it) it got a bit hard to get widgets in the right places. But for 90% of people it was a lifesaver. Easy and fast widget management.</p>
<p>*Text and RSS widgets cannot be moved across sidebars without copying them out of the browser and then pasting them back in. Check <a href="http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-6355" rel="nofollow">Huug&#8217;s comment</a> and the link he put up.</p>
<p>All in all this &#8216;new&#8217; interface is not a step back, but rather a <em>jump</em> back. Even now, with WP2.6 out and WP2.7 development geared up this stands as an unresolved usability issue. While asking &#8216;how many times do you move widgets around&#8217; is a valid question, keep in mind when developing a theme you move stuff around a lot, <em>specially</em> widgets. You will run into issues when switching back and forth between a 1-sidebar theme and a 2-or-more sidebars theme.</p>
<p>Now for solutions&#8230; myself I think the best way to solve this would be to heavily AJAXify the whole damn thing, enabling fast and easy drag&amp;drop. Perhaps instead of having to use a drop down selector on the right side of the page to switch between sidebars they can just be displayed at the same time in their current form.</p>
<p>This is the kind of things that make people switch to other platforms, be another blogging platform like Movable Type of a full-fledge CMS like Drupal.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Tadlock</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-10086</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Tadlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s a good article on how to use those conditional widgets for those type of things.  Honestly, I might have pointed you to that article myself if you hadn&#039;t beaten me to it.  It&#039;s one of those I have permanently bookmarked.

You can also check out my &lt;a href=&quot;http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/18/widgetize-this&quot; title=&quot;Widgetize This!&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Widgetize This!&lt;/a&gt; post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s a good article on how to use those conditional widgets for those type of things.  Honestly, I might have pointed you to that article myself if you hadn&#8217;t beaten me to it.  It&#8217;s one of those I have permanently bookmarked.</p>
<p>You can also check out my <a href="http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/18/widgetize-this" title="Widgetize This!" rel="nofollow"> Widgetize This!</a> post.</p>
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		<title>By: iPaul Pro</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-10053</link>
		<dc:creator>iPaul Pro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Figured it out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://theundersigned.net/2006/03/wordpress-conditional-tags/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; heres an easy way&lt;/a&gt;, just wasn&#039;t thinking about it correctly. Thanks anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Figured it out: <a href="http://theundersigned.net/2006/03/wordpress-conditional-tags/" rel="nofollow"> heres an easy way</a>, just wasn&#8217;t thinking about it correctly. Thanks anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: iPaul Pro</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-10051</link>
		<dc:creator>iPaul Pro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Justin, 

I am familiar with conditional tags and the 2.5 widget system, was just wondering: could post a sample code for a conditional widget? I&#039;m using the Wordpress Sandbox to build my theme, and currently have 2 sidebars. Perhaps you could give me an example for a &lt;code&gt;single.php&lt;/code&gt; conditional widget?

It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Justin, </p>
<p>I am familiar with conditional tags and the 2.5 widget system, was just wondering: could post a sample code for a conditional widget? I&#8217;m using the Wordpress Sandbox to build my theme, and currently have 2 sidebars. Perhaps you could give me an example for a <code>single.php</code> conditional widget?</p>
<p>It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Tadlock</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel#comment-9599</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Tadlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Angela&lt;/strong&gt;
I&#039;m a huge fan of the redesign.  My biggest issue with the overall design is the lack of post, category, and tag IDs shown.  You have to hover over the links just to see them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Angela</strong><br />
I&#8217;m a huge fan of the redesign.  My biggest issue with the overall design is the lack of post, category, and tag IDs shown.  You have to hover over the links just to see them.</p>
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