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		<title>By: Richard Vencu</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/05/29/screw-the-premium-theme-market#comment-264002</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Vencu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, read &quot;shared hosting account&quot; instead of &quot;sharing account&quot;... no chance to edit the comments here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, read &#8220;shared hosting account&#8221; instead of &#8220;sharing account&#8221;&#8230; no chance to edit the comments here?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Vencu</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/05/29/screw-the-premium-theme-market#comment-264001</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Vencu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers there.

In my case I rejected Thesis because when I tried to use multiple custom templates I had to jump back into PHP coding and write IF statements for every custom template while checking the post ID - this means every time I need to post an article and use the custom template I need to revisit the PHP code and add yet another post ID into it. Rumors are that an updated Thesis for WP3 is about to arrive but I have no time to wait and risk to get stuck with proprietary solutions.

Second issue I have are with themes with huge options in the backend. While as a newbie in Wordpress I appreciated those, I found out that the SQL side is badly hurt by immense option blobs at every page load. I even got my sharing account suspended once because of slow SQL queries and I started to appreciate Justin&#039;s preference for almost no options for a theme. I am not saying Thesis is lacking performance here, just trying to make a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers there.</p>
<p>In my case I rejected Thesis because when I tried to use multiple custom templates I had to jump back into PHP coding and write IF statements for every custom template while checking the post ID &#8211; this means every time I need to post an article and use the custom template I need to revisit the PHP code and add yet another post ID into it. Rumors are that an updated Thesis for WP3 is about to arrive but I have no time to wait and risk to get stuck with proprietary solutions.</p>
<p>Second issue I have are with themes with huge options in the backend. While as a newbie in Wordpress I appreciated those, I found out that the SQL side is badly hurt by immense option blobs at every page load. I even got my sharing account suspended once because of slow SQL queries and I started to appreciate Justin&#8217;s preference for almost no options for a theme. I am not saying Thesis is lacking performance here, just trying to make a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Vencu</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/05/29/screw-the-premium-theme-market#comment-263998</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Vencu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

I think there are 3 main types of buyers for „premium” themes. First are the ones completely non-technical that are unable to find other solution than buying such a theme to get a complete package. Those are more vulnerable since buying a premium theme can be disastruous to the point to abandon it and look for another one or living with stupid limitations after discovering them.

Second type is technically aware ones that know how to code but lack the artistic brain (such as myself). We are usually paying for a nice css and prebuilt custom templates. With little effort I made several times the exercise to put the nice css over Hybrid theme with good results for both aspect and performance.

Third type knows how to use css, they do not need premium themes since they can just take a free framework and play around it. Those and others that can build their own themes in all aspects but are lacking the time to do so can also buy premium themes from time to time.

I think the market is saturated, but this will not end the selling of those themes simply because the above people will continue buying. However as a theme developer, yes, screw this market, I would not try to monetize from it. My business model now is to buy a premium theme, change it to fit my purposes and sell my services to the end user. I think this approach is beneficial for the end user since for a $35 expense I cut may hours of labor that would be more expensive and the result can be delivered much faster. From my own point of view it is beneficial because the end-user gets a larger design base to choose from and I can work more websites every month, thus utilizing my own abilites more efficiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>I think there are 3 main types of buyers for „premium” themes. First are the ones completely non-technical that are unable to find other solution than buying such a theme to get a complete package. Those are more vulnerable since buying a premium theme can be disastruous to the point to abandon it and look for another one or living with stupid limitations after discovering them.</p>
<p>Second type is technically aware ones that know how to code but lack the artistic brain (such as myself). We are usually paying for a nice css and prebuilt custom templates. With little effort I made several times the exercise to put the nice css over Hybrid theme with good results for both aspect and performance.</p>
<p>Third type knows how to use css, they do not need premium themes since they can just take a free framework and play around it. Those and others that can build their own themes in all aspects but are lacking the time to do so can also buy premium themes from time to time.</p>
<p>I think the market is saturated, but this will not end the selling of those themes simply because the above people will continue buying. However as a theme developer, yes, screw this market, I would not try to monetize from it. My business model now is to buy a premium theme, change it to fit my purposes and sell my services to the end user. I think this approach is beneficial for the end user since for a $35 expense I cut may hours of labor that would be more expensive and the result can be delivered much faster. From my own point of view it is beneficial because the end-user gets a larger design base to choose from and I can work more websites every month, thus utilizing my own abilites more efficiently.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Kalis</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/05/29/screw-the-premium-theme-market#comment-255378</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre Kalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a customer, non-tech perspective, many, if not most of us who take their blog seriously and especially perhaps when it&#039;s part of a business enterprise, have the perception that a paid-for theme is necessary and required since it would add value to their visitors&#039; experience of their site, enhanced status, professionalism, uniqueness etc.

I also fall into this category and although their might be no real justification for this perception, I can&#039;t shake it off  and am sticking to my &#039;premium&#039; theme despite the hassles I have with it. To me and to most people, I think, reverting to a free theme would be tantamount to downgrading your site, image, business prestige and more. Devoid of truth as it may be, this is human nature and the reason why we all buy many stuff we don&#039;t need. Mainly we purchase for emotional reasons and nothing will change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a customer, non-tech perspective, many, if not most of us who take their blog seriously and especially perhaps when it&#8217;s part of a business enterprise, have the perception that a paid-for theme is necessary and required since it would add value to their visitors&#8217; experience of their site, enhanced status, professionalism, uniqueness etc.</p>
<p>I also fall into this category and although their might be no real justification for this perception, I can&#8217;t shake it off  and am sticking to my &#8216;premium&#8217; theme despite the hassles I have with it. To me and to most people, I think, reverting to a free theme would be tantamount to downgrading your site, image, business prestige and more. Devoid of truth as it may be, this is human nature and the reason why we all buy many stuff we don&#8217;t need. Mainly we purchase for emotional reasons and nothing will change that.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/05/29/screw-the-premium-theme-market#comment-252977</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So two years later and the premium theme market seems to be going strong. Did you watch Brian Gardner&#039;s interview on Mixergy.com?
The profits are mind-boggling. I always develop child themes for client work, either using Hybrid or Genesis from StudioPress because it cuts development time and saves me and the client money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So two years later and the premium theme market seems to be going strong. Did you watch Brian Gardner&#8217;s interview on Mixergy.com?<br />
The profits are mind-boggling. I always develop child themes for client work, either using Hybrid or Genesis from StudioPress because it cuts development time and saves me and the client money.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/05/29/screw-the-premium-theme-market#comment-244001</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with Justin in regards to the so called &quot;premium&quot; themes, they are a big rip-off, some of them are pretty average in design and not well coded. i came across one the other day on css mania, think it was called the fullscreen theme or something, it is nothing more than some free jquery plugins thrown together with wp and not even done well, and he is asking like $35 for it and $70 for the right to use on multiple sites, where do these people get off selling a theme which is made of up code that is free to all?

themeforest is great, a lot of people on there spend months and months designing/developing themes for there marketplace, and they deserve to make good money from it, there is some amazing work on there, but on the other hand there a lot of themes on there too which have been thrown together and not designed well, i find better quality themes on the repository.

if your a wp designer/developer and are doing themes for clients, this is a totally different story, as your proving a business service, each of your projects will be custom made and therefor you charge accordingly for your time. (this is what i do for a business too)

i want to do some themes for the market place, and i was going to sell them on themeforest, but i have another idea, why not give them away for free! imagine the traffic this would bring to ones site, it would be inevitable that some people would ask for an extra customization service, or ever there own custom built themes, that&#039;s good business...just a thought anyway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with Justin in regards to the so called &#8220;premium&#8221; themes, they are a big rip-off, some of them are pretty average in design and not well coded. i came across one the other day on css mania, think it was called the fullscreen theme or something, it is nothing more than some free jquery plugins thrown together with wp and not even done well, and he is asking like $35 for it and $70 for the right to use on multiple sites, where do these people get off selling a theme which is made of up code that is free to all?</p>
<p>themeforest is great, a lot of people on there spend months and months designing/developing themes for there marketplace, and they deserve to make good money from it, there is some amazing work on there, but on the other hand there a lot of themes on there too which have been thrown together and not designed well, i find better quality themes on the repository.</p>
<p>if your a wp designer/developer and are doing themes for clients, this is a totally different story, as your proving a business service, each of your projects will be custom made and therefor you charge accordingly for your time. (this is what i do for a business too)</p>
<p>i want to do some themes for the market place, and i was going to sell them on themeforest, but i have another idea, why not give them away for free! imagine the traffic this would bring to ones site, it would be inevitable that some people would ask for an extra customization service, or ever there own custom built themes, that&#8217;s good business&#8230;just a thought anyway</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/05/29/screw-the-premium-theme-market#comment-236730</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used a lot of premium themes, but no more. So often the support has been appalling. I am now paying for a designer/dev for every project I do as it actually works out cost effective compared to paying for a premium theme and then going through the process of trying to communicate with the designer to try and fix bugs etc. I have not looked at your themes before but will do now. Thanks for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used a lot of premium themes, but no more. So often the support has been appalling. I am now paying for a designer/dev for every project I do as it actually works out cost effective compared to paying for a premium theme and then going through the process of trying to communicate with the designer to try and fix bugs etc. I have not looked at your themes before but will do now. Thanks for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a newbie wordpress user and have had the devils own job at finding just the theme that suited me. Every one (free or paid) had something in it that didn&#039;t suit me. Then I found the Socrates theme and it allowed me to do everything that I wanted my theme to do.

I make all my static sites using XSitePro and having to use WP after the ease of that was daunting. I&#039;ve been reading so much about how everyone thinks WP is such an easy programme to use but after the simplicity of XSP2 it&#039;s been a struggle.

I believe that if a WP theme offers numerous choices and there has been considerably more work put into the making and support of it, then to charge a fair price is reasonable. To ask someone to pay $300 is daylight-robbery. 

Another thing I like about Socrates is the support service. I can&#039;t fault it. The forum is helpful and supportive and the support services of Socrates themselves is fast, efficient and absolutely first-class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a newbie wordpress user and have had the devils own job at finding just the theme that suited me. Every one (free or paid) had something in it that didn&#8217;t suit me. Then I found the Socrates theme and it allowed me to do everything that I wanted my theme to do.</p>
<p>I make all my static sites using XSitePro and having to use WP after the ease of that was daunting. I&#8217;ve been reading so much about how everyone thinks WP is such an easy programme to use but after the simplicity of XSP2 it&#8217;s been a struggle.</p>
<p>I believe that if a WP theme offers numerous choices and there has been considerably more work put into the making and support of it, then to charge a fair price is reasonable. To ask someone to pay $300 is daylight-robbery. </p>
<p>Another thing I like about Socrates is the support service. I can&#8217;t fault it. The forum is helpful and supportive and the support services of Socrates themselves is fast, efficient and absolutely first-class.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Shafer</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/05/29/screw-the-premium-theme-market#comment-204869</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Shafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, I am using your Get the Image plugin at the suggestion of a premium theme provider (Solostream) in what appears to be one-way symbiosis. Frankly, I spent about 12 hours looking for a really classy magazine theme that I could configure extensively without having to edit PHP and CSS (though I know both of those tools well). I wanted to focus on the site and the business, not on the technology. I&#039;ve been very glad I spent the money on the theme.

Meanwhile, has Project M that you mentioned two years ago in this thread gotten off the ground? What is it? WHERE is it? I&#039;d just like to see how you managed to come up with a way that made money without being inconsistent with your strong anti-premium-theme stance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, I am using your Get the Image plugin at the suggestion of a premium theme provider (Solostream) in what appears to be one-way symbiosis. Frankly, I spent about 12 hours looking for a really classy magazine theme that I could configure extensively without having to edit PHP and CSS (though I know both of those tools well). I wanted to focus on the site and the business, not on the technology. I&#8217;ve been very glad I spent the money on the theme.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, has Project M that you mentioned two years ago in this thread gotten off the ground? What is it? WHERE is it? I&#8217;d just like to see how you managed to come up with a way that made money without being inconsistent with your strong anti-premium-theme stance.</p>
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		<title>By: Me and My Wordpress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me and My Wordpress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 02:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your opinion, I Love Wordpress Comunity so</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your opinion, I Love Wordpress Comunity so</p>
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