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		<title>By: How to Work with WordPress Theme Frameworks &#124; Learning from Lorelle</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-596343</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Work with WordPress Theme Frameworks &#124; Learning from Lorelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why I created a WordPress theme framework &#8211; Justin Tadlock [...]</description>
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		<title>By: About WP frameworks &#171; Richard Allen</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-457044</link>
		<dc:creator>About WP frameworks &#171; Richard Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what is a WP framework? I found the answer from framework developer at http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework. A framework is a solidly coded theme that should serve as a base for other [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what is a WP framework? I found the answer from framework developer at <a href="http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework" rel="nofollow">http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework</a>. A framework is a solidly coded theme that should serve as a base for other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: web-developer</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-344916</link>
		<dc:creator>web-developer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 21:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I read the documentation and usage examples about Theme Hybrid?
Other &lt;a href=&quot;http://wpcandy.com/presents/wordpress-theme-framework-comparison&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WordPress theme frameworks&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I read the documentation and usage examples about Theme Hybrid?<br />
Other <a href="http://wpcandy.com/presents/wordpress-theme-framework-comparison" rel="nofollow">WordPress theme frameworks</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Warum Justin Tadlock das Hybrid-Framework programmiert hat &#124; dreitehabee</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-299243</link>
		<dc:creator>Warum Justin Tadlock das Hybrid-Framework programmiert hat &#124; dreitehabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Justin Tadlock erklärt, warum er das hervorragende Hybrid-Theme-Framework gecoded hat. I’ve never used a theme on my blog that I’ve publicly released before. Prior to Hybrid, I hardcoded just about everything around here. At a certain point, that becomes frustrating. So, when I started working on it, my goal was to make a theme for me, Justin Tadlock. I needed a theme that I could easily use out of the box, something that would cover all my needs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Justin Tadlock erklärt, warum er das hervorragende Hybrid-Theme-Framework gecoded hat. I’ve never used a theme on my blog that I’ve publicly released before. Prior to Hybrid, I hardcoded just about everything around here. At a certain point, that becomes frustrating. So, when I started working on it, my goal was to make a theme for me, Justin Tadlock. I needed a theme that I could easily use out of the box, something that would cover all my needs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Warum Justin Tadlock das Hybrid-Framework programmiert hat - dreitehabee</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-267551</link>
		<dc:creator>Warum Justin Tadlock das Hybrid-Framework programmiert hat - dreitehabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reisen und Kaffeetrinken in Wien.Warum Justin Tadlock das Hybrid-Framework programmiert hatJus­tin Tad­lock erklärt, warum er das her­vor­ra­gende Hybrid-Theme-Framework gecoded hat.I’ve never used a theme on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reisen und Kaffeetrinken in Wien.Warum Justin Tadlock das Hybrid-Framework programmiert hatJus­tin Tad­lock erklärt, warum er das her­vor­ra­gende Hybrid-Theme-Framework gecoded hat.I’ve never used a theme on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nandupatel</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-248319</link>
		<dc:creator>nandupatel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot. I just started to use your theme and it is perfect match to use for my personal blog. I was looking for it for long time. Most important thing is it is free to use. Again thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot. I just started to use your theme and it is perfect match to use for my personal blog. I was looking for it for long time. Most important thing is it is free to use. Again thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Tadlock</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-236395</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Tadlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has come to my attention since writing this post that pretty much everyone misunderstands what child themes are for.  It&#039;s a simple answer, but people over-complicate it.

Child themes are for end users that like to tweak small things such as their stylesheet but want to stay updated with the latest WordPress features, which the parent theme takes care of.  Rather than editing the parent theme, the user edits the child theme.  That way, they can stay updated without losing their customizations.

All this other mess you see happening with crazy-advanced child themes in the WordPress community is ridiculous.  If you want to read more of my thoughts on this, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://justintadlock.com/archives/2010/08/16/frameworks-parent-child-and-grandchild-themes&quot; title=&quot;Frameworks?  Parent, child, and grandchild themes?&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frameworks? Parent, child, and grandchild themes?&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has come to my attention since writing this post that pretty much everyone misunderstands what child themes are for.  It&#8217;s a simple answer, but people over-complicate it.</p>
<p>Child themes are for end users that like to tweak small things such as their stylesheet but want to stay updated with the latest WordPress features, which the parent theme takes care of.  Rather than editing the parent theme, the user edits the child theme.  That way, they can stay updated without losing their customizations.</p>
<p>All this other mess you see happening with crazy-advanced child themes in the WordPress community is ridiculous.  If you want to read more of my thoughts on this, check out <a href="http://justintadlock.com/archives/2010/08/16/frameworks-parent-child-and-grandchild-themes" title="Frameworks?  Parent, child, and grandchild themes?" rel="nofollow">Frameworks? Parent, child, and grandchild themes?</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 21:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m lost. I can not see any point in the child themes and can&#039;t find a reason for it at all. If a theme is updated enough to change it all around, how would you get around not changing the child theme? If I hacked a code to pieces why would I want the &quot;developer&#039;s&quot; new version? Child themes seems like a waste and a cruel joke on the amateur wordpress industry.

I build themes, not buy them, so nothing ever comes as an update so why make a mess of a good system by throwing in child themes? For those with no code experience? To pump out tons of &quot;almost&quot; duplicate sites? Why ever use a theme that is not unique in the first place if you don&#039;t want someone else&#039;s footprint?

Sounds like something created so part time developers can sell more stuff people don&#039;t have a use for. And it makes a lot of billable work for me when it comes to actually making any theme SEO proper and get the client up in the engines...which is the only purpose of all of this, unless you deal in &#039;vanity sites&#039; for rich people.

With all of the hype, can someone provide any practical reasons for any of this? As for the framework, it is just trying to kick out duplicate themes that are not unique so developers can sell more generic junk.

Every install of any &#039;bought&#039; theme always takes more work than starting from scratch. What client won&#039;t ask for so many changes that the entire &#039;framework&#039; goes through multiple changes? I guess it&#039;s all about pumping out tons of junk at $50 or $100 over and over. Thesis-/revolution/studiopress...I can code the look in an hour and then everything is easy to find. Everybody hides everything all over so learning another half baked framework makes no sense. I suggest making your own for yourself that reaches to your own particular limits. If that is beyond you then stay far away from it because it will be someone else&#039;s &#039;framework&#039; so you might as well just send your clients to them!

Every install (over a dozen) of thesis I have done has had to be hacked to the core to get around the minimal options they give...and hide all over. Add Blogussion and you have a real mess.

Enough! Why is wordpress so intent on dumbing all this down...so grandma can make sites?

Maybe try Artisteer...then you can do anything and you only have one cluster f*** to learn and deal with updates. That&#039;s the only framework I ever saw for sale worth ANYTHING.

So, sorry, but I see child themes as beyond useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m lost. I can not see any point in the child themes and can&#8217;t find a reason for it at all. If a theme is updated enough to change it all around, how would you get around not changing the child theme? If I hacked a code to pieces why would I want the &#8220;developer&#8217;s&#8221; new version? Child themes seems like a waste and a cruel joke on the amateur wordpress industry.</p>
<p>I build themes, not buy them, so nothing ever comes as an update so why make a mess of a good system by throwing in child themes? For those with no code experience? To pump out tons of &#8220;almost&#8221; duplicate sites? Why ever use a theme that is not unique in the first place if you don&#8217;t want someone else&#8217;s footprint?</p>
<p>Sounds like something created so part time developers can sell more stuff people don&#8217;t have a use for. And it makes a lot of billable work for me when it comes to actually making any theme SEO proper and get the client up in the engines&#8230;which is the only purpose of all of this, unless you deal in &#8216;vanity sites&#8217; for rich people.</p>
<p>With all of the hype, can someone provide any practical reasons for any of this? As for the framework, it is just trying to kick out duplicate themes that are not unique so developers can sell more generic junk.</p>
<p>Every install of any &#8216;bought&#8217; theme always takes more work than starting from scratch. What client won&#8217;t ask for so many changes that the entire &#8216;framework&#8217; goes through multiple changes? I guess it&#8217;s all about pumping out tons of junk at $50 or $100 over and over. Thesis-/revolution/studiopress&#8230;I can code the look in an hour and then everything is easy to find. Everybody hides everything all over so learning another half baked framework makes no sense. I suggest making your own for yourself that reaches to your own particular limits. If that is beyond you then stay far away from it because it will be someone else&#8217;s &#8216;framework&#8217; so you might as well just send your clients to them!</p>
<p>Every install (over a dozen) of thesis I have done has had to be hacked to the core to get around the minimal options they give&#8230;and hide all over. Add Blogussion and you have a real mess.</p>
<p>Enough! Why is wordpress so intent on dumbing all this down&#8230;so grandma can make sites?</p>
<p>Maybe try Artisteer&#8230;then you can do anything and you only have one cluster f*** to learn and deal with updates. That&#8217;s the only framework I ever saw for sale worth ANYTHING.</p>
<p>So, sorry, but I see child themes as beyond useless.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Clark &#8212; Themes and Members</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-226388</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Clark &#8212; Themes and Members</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is very practical, and the support in the ThemeHybrids forums is quick and excellent. From his original post on why he created Hybrid:  I needed something that I wouldn’t have to hack up to make it work how [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Claudia Webb</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/24/why-i-created-a-wordpress-theme-framework#comment-225885</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve been using your hybrid theme framework as the base for some new themes I’ve been working on. This is the first time I’ve used child themes. I am impressed and am really enjoying this. Thank You for sharing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been using your hybrid theme framework as the base for some new themes I’ve been working on. This is the first time I’ve used child themes. I am impressed and am really enjoying this. Thank You for sharing <img src='http://justintadlock.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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