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		<title>By: WordPress ile ilgili takip edilesi 10 muhteşem blog &#124; Blog Wolkanca</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2009/02/09/the-slippery-slope-dilemma-how-much-control-should-users-have#comment-550872</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress ile ilgili takip edilesi 10 muhteşem blog &#124; Blog Wolkanca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pete Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2009/02/09/the-slippery-slope-dilemma-how-much-control-should-users-have#comment-274614</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 06:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I search for themes I first look for the general color scheme and layout I&#039;m after, then it&#039;s features.

I&#039;m no php coder, but I do know how to edit simple html, css and php to add or remove features to the themes.

I&#039;m often need to strip themes down to look like regular websites, not blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I search for themes I first look for the general color scheme and layout I&#8217;m after, then it&#8217;s features.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no php coder, but I do know how to edit simple html, css and php to add or remove features to the themes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m often need to strip themes down to look like regular websites, not blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2009/02/09/the-slippery-slope-dilemma-how-much-control-should-users-have#comment-246691</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still can&#039;t figure out where to draw the line. In certain cases it&#039;s an easy decision. Since my day job requires building a lot of business/corporate websites there aren&#039;t going to be a lot of options *stylistically* that the user will need. All the style guidelines are there from the beginning and they don&#039;t change. Maybe they&#039;ll refresh the logo and they want to change it... add in a logo upload function.

The 3.0 menu system relieved a lot of headaches on this end but this slippery slope is still there.

My main problem with the &#039;user control&#039; issue comes from learning about WP by being a user first, then a developer. I learned everything I know from deconstructing themes, playing with the markup and the template tags. As a user who is curious about how things work, I liked that I could go into a theme and see how it was put together.

If I had picked up Thesis or Atahualpa as my first theme, I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d ever have gotten to where I am now in my WP knowledge. 

I guess I want the people that like to tinker to have enough leeway to do what they want to without sacrificing the ability for complete newbs to manage their sites effortlessly.

I guess it&#039;s an ongoing dilemma, though as WP marches into Drupal territory function-wise I wonder if the WP Core team has the same philosophical debate in their own heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still can&#8217;t figure out where to draw the line. In certain cases it&#8217;s an easy decision. Since my day job requires building a lot of business/corporate websites there aren&#8217;t going to be a lot of options *stylistically* that the user will need. All the style guidelines are there from the beginning and they don&#8217;t change. Maybe they&#8217;ll refresh the logo and they want to change it&#8230; add in a logo upload function.</p>
<p>The 3.0 menu system relieved a lot of headaches on this end but this slippery slope is still there.</p>
<p>My main problem with the &#8216;user control&#8217; issue comes from learning about WP by being a user first, then a developer. I learned everything I know from deconstructing themes, playing with the markup and the template tags. As a user who is curious about how things work, I liked that I could go into a theme and see how it was put together.</p>
<p>If I had picked up Thesis or Atahualpa as my first theme, I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d ever have gotten to where I am now in my WP knowledge. </p>
<p>I guess I want the people that like to tinker to have enough leeway to do what they want to without sacrificing the ability for complete newbs to manage their sites effortlessly.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s an ongoing dilemma, though as WP marches into Drupal territory function-wise I wonder if the WP Core team has the same philosophical debate in their own heads.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Markins</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2009/02/09/the-slippery-slope-dilemma-how-much-control-should-users-have#comment-193267</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Markins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 22:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Obviously this is a big &quot;it depends&quot;, In my opinion any &quot;more options&quot; can be good and increase the attractiveness blog, site or forum. But where is the limit? Smarter people speak before me, and I&#039;ll add only that I&#039;m about to users have a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obviously this is a big &#8220;it depends&#8221;, In my opinion any &#8220;more options&#8221; can be good and increase the attractiveness blog, site or forum. But where is the limit? Smarter people speak before me, and I&#8217;ll add only that I&#8217;m about to users have a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2009/02/09/the-slippery-slope-dilemma-how-much-control-should-users-have#comment-192202</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 02:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Justin, 

typo:  &quot;I think certain features like being able to change fonts, font sizes, or changes that amount to basic CSS changes probably are NOT necessary &quot;

*missed NOT from above...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Justin, </p>
<p>typo:  &#8220;I think certain features like being able to change fonts, font sizes, or changes that amount to basic CSS changes probably are NOT necessary &#8221;</p>
<p>*missed NOT from above&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2009/02/09/the-slippery-slope-dilemma-how-much-control-should-users-have#comment-192201</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 02:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can provide feedback as someone who recently created a Wordpress site without any prior Wordpress, CSS, or PHP background...

I think certain features like being able to change fonts, font sizes, or changes that amount to basic CSS changes probably are necessary from a back end option standpoint.  It doesn&#039;t take much to implement these changes with Firebug and some playing around.  

Also, some premium themes add a ton of SEO options which is probably a waste of time from a development standpoint since these can be integrated by using a free plugin like SEO ultimate.

For me as a basic user, I would like options that affect the layout of the blog (2 columns vs. 3, column layout), or changes that allow to configure the layout of the Front page.  Other useful changes include the ability to configure category pages to have full posts, excerpts, etc.  Bottom line:  anything that would require editing PHP is probably beyond what I ever want to have to learn about as a blogger.  

Many themes are trending toward allowing users to upload a blog banner or change the background color which is good for very basic users.  

Anyway, as a new user to Wordpress, I think it&#039;s probably more important to include layout options that would require PHP editing rather than options that can be fairly easily changed with CSS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can provide feedback as someone who recently created a Wordpress site without any prior Wordpress, CSS, or PHP background&#8230;</p>
<p>I think certain features like being able to change fonts, font sizes, or changes that amount to basic CSS changes probably are necessary from a back end option standpoint.  It doesn&#8217;t take much to implement these changes with Firebug and some playing around.  </p>
<p>Also, some premium themes add a ton of SEO options which is probably a waste of time from a development standpoint since these can be integrated by using a free plugin like SEO ultimate.</p>
<p>For me as a basic user, I would like options that affect the layout of the blog (2 columns vs. 3, column layout), or changes that allow to configure the layout of the Front page.  Other useful changes include the ability to configure category pages to have full posts, excerpts, etc.  Bottom line:  anything that would require editing PHP is probably beyond what I ever want to have to learn about as a blogger.  </p>
<p>Many themes are trending toward allowing users to upload a blog banner or change the background color which is good for very basic users.  </p>
<p>Anyway, as a new user to Wordpress, I think it&#8217;s probably more important to include layout options that would require PHP editing rather than options that can be fairly easily changed with CSS.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s this amazing pizza place in Halifax, Nova Scotia called Salvatores. They make the best pizzas in town. Simply amazing. They make their own thin but chewy crusts with carefully balanced toppings of things like artichoke hearts and sun dried tomatoes. And they have one simple rule for ordering. No substitutions. The chef will not allow it. And I wholeheartedly agree with this policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s this amazing pizza place in Halifax, Nova Scotia called Salvatores. They make the best pizzas in town. Simply amazing. They make their own thin but chewy crusts with carefully balanced toppings of things like artichoke hearts and sun dried tomatoes. And they have one simple rule for ordering. No substitutions. The chef will not allow it. And I wholeheartedly agree with this policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Hikari</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2009/02/09/the-slippery-slope-dilemma-how-much-control-should-users-have#comment-180335</link>
		<dc:creator>Hikari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My answer to your question is NOTHING.

All exemples you did are CSS related. Don&#039;t solve CSS problems with PHP.

For my theme options page I add options to choose the doctype, default posts and comments languages, change the header image... and that&#039;s it.

Wanna change a CSS config? Use a child theme or a plugin to add an extra CSS file, and add your customs there.

For customizations on HTML, add actions and filters where users wanna change and let them use their child theme to implement it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My answer to your question is NOTHING.</p>
<p>All exemples you did are CSS related. Don&#8217;t solve CSS problems with PHP.</p>
<p>For my theme options page I add options to choose the doctype, default posts and comments languages, change the header image&#8230; and that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>Wanna change a CSS config? Use a child theme or a plugin to add an extra CSS file, and add your customs there.</p>
<p>For customizations on HTML, add actions and filters where users wanna change and let them use their child theme to implement it.</p>
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		<title>By: alterity</title>
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		<dc:creator>alterity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I wonder what the most effective theme is? Has any research ever been done on this matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I wonder what the most effective theme is? Has any research ever been done on this matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Fauzan Husin</title>
		<link>http://justintadlock.com/archives/2009/02/09/the-slippery-slope-dilemma-how-much-control-should-users-have#comment-162928</link>
		<dc:creator>Fauzan Husin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its just part of the our nature. The more options you give, the more the users will ask for. I think you found a good balance in your themes, specially in the options theme, although its no longer supported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its just part of the our nature. The more options you give, the more the users will ask for. I think you found a good balance in your themes, specially in the options theme, although its no longer supported.</p>
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